The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ
of Saints of the Last Days (TLC) (Manti group)

This series of correspondence takes some interesting twists and turns, as you will see. Original mistakes in the correspondence are retained. Many of the email addresses no longer work.

http://www.rickross.com/groups/tlc.html

http://www.watchman.org/profile/tlcpro.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_and_Living_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Saints_of_the_Last_Days

http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/TLCchurch.htm

http://www.chat11.com/True_And_Living_Church_Of_Jesus_Christ_Of_Saints_Of_The_Last_Days

http://www.absalom.com/mormon/news/tlcmanti.html

http://www.greaterthings.com/Polemic/TLC/

http://www.jasonsmithconsulting.com/research/groups/lds/other/TLC-Manti.htm

Letters One through Ten

Letter One

Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:50:40 -0600 To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: Re: "Some questions" Cc: kbraddy@sisna.com, bhammer@sisna.com, dialbart@sisna.com, jharper@sisna.com, dcsimmons@sisna.com, eorl@sisna.com, jdharmston@sisna.com, dlpeterson@sisna.com, jonh@sisna.com, skoller@sisna.com, jbaker@sisna.com, jhanks@sisna.com Dear Brother Anderson, You've asked Jeff - 3. "Can you tell me anything about Renee O'Keefe? She wrote to me a few months ago that she was considering joining with you but that she had changed her mind. She said that TLC became ugly (or something like that) when she told you about her decision." Renee first wrote to us last February - "We would like to converse with you. Do you have ICQ? We just got it. This is a program where more than one person can talk privately. I think three people can talk on the net. I will send our number if you have it. We are thinking of coming to the Manti Pagent I think I read it is in June? If we seem to be into the Net stuff alot, you are right. (This has been the only thing that has kept me alive in the last few months as I have no more hope left to be quite frank. Also we are about to go into business of making home pages for others and if it works out, this may free us to move to Utah which is what we have wanted for some time.) The O'Keefe family" (E-mail from Renee O'Keefe, 2/2/97.) Then a few days later Renee wrote - "Dear Randy, Very long letter. Many of your words are waisted and I will tell you why. Why preach to me the things I already know? Please, please, please when you write to me, pray first. How many times have I prayed and thought this with the leaders of the Church. If the Holy Ghost is your guide, you will know what to say, this I believe. I am not trying to criticize you, but I want you to know this about me... " (E-mail from Renee O'Keefe, 2/4/97.) Brother Anderson, we of the TLC receive alot of mail and many time from people who are unstable. We do not read people's minds nor do they read ours. Renee wrote to us and asked us specific questions, to which I gave her specific answers, Her writing what I have quoted here from her 2/4/97 letter sent up red flags for me. Renee has an agenda and we're really not interested in silly women with agendasŠ maybe you can relate to this? Renee continued in her letter of 2/4/97 - "I appreciate your Zeal for these things and I can sense your enthusiasm. I have had many strange things happen to me and have completly closed these things inside me for fear, I suppose that I am crazy, that I am manic depressive or worse, or that others do not and can not understand. I believe that God has showed me many things, but I also believe that Satan has been very close in my life and that he will not leave me alone. I am telling you this so that you may begin to understand a little." I believe Renee has problems, which we do not want to have to deal with. We are only looking for the elect of GodŠ people who will repent and not entertain familiar spirits. "Randy, I hope that you will answer my other questions. I feel that you are holding yourself far above me and judging me. I feel that honest questions that are in my heart are run over by you. I feel that everything that I have had revealed to me means nothing to you. I can only guess; Is this because I question you? Is this because I live here and you live in "Zion"? Is this because I am a woman and therefore all that I say can be taken away from at least 60% automatically because you are the superior man? I am very disturbed by your idea of women and how you (plural?)go on about your sex lives with your plural wives. (Apparently, quoting examples of what is wrong with the attitudes of the women amoung you??)ei; in a plural marriage situationŠ" (E-mail from Renee O'Keefe, 2/9/97.) Renee took my letters completely out of context and began to make unfounded accusasions of me and my brethren. Renee only wants to contend with men concerning her unfounded paranoia and feminist agendaŠ I for one am not interested in her garbage and told her so - "Well Renee, you've certainly told me. So, now I will tell youŠ if you will listen? The fact of the matter is this, I have warned you and called you to repent of your silliness, your delusions of grandure and your fornication with Babylon. I have called you to gather with the electŠ if you are one of the elect? You have received my letter "Errant Israel" and you claim to have read it and the pamphlets on our webb page. Now, you do not sin in ignorance, for we have plainly shown you what you are doing wrong and where you stand in need of repentance in general, beside the fact of your wanting a sign of some kind. Renee, you are not seeking the kingdom of God, you are not humble nor are you contrite of spirit. I seal this warning upon you in the name of Jesus Christ and call you to repent or go to hellŠ which you will most assuredly do with or without my help. Do not write me again or waste my time with your mental problems." (E-mail to Renee O'Keefe, from Randy Maudsley, 2/9/97.) Brother Anderson, you think whatever you want concerning my dealings with Renee. But since you've enquired of us as to her correspondance with us, I am more than willing to share with you what I have in this letter as well as forward to you at your request, any and all letters I have written to Renee in their entirity. I want you to know that at no time, did Renee O'Keefe ever ask to join the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last DaysŠ I'd know, I was head of the baptismal committe at that time! Renee has threatened to drop by and visit this June, during the pageant, but I seriously doubt that she'll show up. Yes, I have been hard on Renee. I have been hard on alot of people and their foolishness. We don't have time to mess around with people coming here to straighten us out on doctrinesŠ Joseph did and it cost him his life! I tell people right up front how it is. We don't want any slackers or silly women laden with sin. We require everyone to repent of ALL their sins, before they join the TLC, there is no other way. Everyone must bring forth fruits meet for baptism or we will not baptize them! Period! Final! If Renee shows up here and has a different attitude than what I have experienced from her, then she and I can sit down and talk seriously. But, we are not playing games with people. God will have a pure people in this gathering; a people who will put spiritual things to the fore-front; a people who will sacrifice everything for the excellency of the knowledge of Jesus Christ - if you're interested in what we're doing here, please look to our web-site. "Was she involved in setting up your computer accounts? I notice that your email address is sisna.com." No. Sincerely, Randy Maudsley

Letter Two

Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:48:04 -0600 To: "Russell Anderson" <russ@cache.net> From: Don Peterson <dlpeterson@sisna.com> Subject: Re: Some questions >> If you use your hierarchy, you would have to beleive that >> Adam/Michael is at least the Holy Ghost as the third being in the >> creation god head. > >I am a little confused. Didn't you just say that Michael/Adam was the >creator? Why then say that "Adam/Machael is at least the Holy >Ghost" >I hope I am not being bothersome. I was just pointing out that using the Eloheim, Jehovah, Michael hierarchy, Adam would have to be at least the Holy Ghost.  I was only using that as a counter to some arguments that suggest that Adam was just a man like you or me. >> >4. I haven't seen a biography of your prophet James D. Harmston. >> > I have read his testimony, but I was wondering if you could give >> > me more information about his history. I have heard that he was >> > once a Stake President? Is that right? What happened? I guess I >> > should be writting to him. Pass this on if you would prefer. >> >> I don't know all of his life history, though, I believe that it is >> irrelevant. > >I just thought if would be important to review his life to see if he >was living the kind of life that would lead to being called as the >prophet. Or do you believe that God called him regardless of his >previous circumstances and lifestyle? I think Joseph Smith's life >stands up to such scrutiny. I do not know all of the details, but know that he had been a missionary, had hob-nobbed with the LDS hierarchy and was at least an HC in his stake. Beyond that , I don't know. >Maybe you could just give me a little more information about some of >the history of your church. Can you tell me the founding members of >the quorum of the twelve? Someone recently told me that some of >the original members of that quorum left the church. Brother Hill told >me that a few years ago about half of the members were >excommunicated. >Was that what happended to some of the Apostles? There was a schism about three years ago (before I came on the scene) over control issues.  Would there be a prophet, a leader, and would there be any sayso in the personal things.  The thing happened to be the so called "three in the bed' or having sex with all wives at the same time.  The whole thing is a bit more complex than it sounds and it was more than just a hedonistic experience.  It would take some time to explain it all.  Those that felt that it was wrong and felt that a prophet leader was important went one way, the rest went the other way. >Thanks again for your response. I guess Jeff Hanks passed my >message on to you. Can you tell me a little about yourself? How have >you liked the TLC? What led you to join? Or at least how did you hear >about the TLC? Were you a long-time Mormon before, or did you >have a different religious background? I have made intense and exciting spiritual and personal progress.  You can read m y bio on the web page.  The most difficult part was leaving the children behind, but they are understanding and can see that their mother made a really serious and stupid decision, even without coming with me. They stand up for my moral decision and following the spirit. I heard about the TLC by reading an article in a newspaper, and then one night I had a dream that I had a business in Manti.  One event led to another and here I am.  I was life long LDS, all sides of the family were in the LDS from the beginning and were major stalwarts in the JS and BY years, did the mission, temple marriage things, etc. Don

Letter Three

Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:40:42 -0700 From: Future Development <futdev@isat.com> To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> Subject: TLC & more of my life story... Thank you for answering. I knew a little about people leaving the TLC. Five years ago 3 other families and ourselves were interested in this church. Of those five, we never investigated (I was the one that influenced my husband not to go to this group for fear that it would offend the Lord. Since then I have come to feel differently), one couple investigated and although they still have their children in the LDS church, the wife doesn't go to LDS, I am not sure of the husband. They do keep in touch with the tlc people, though. The other two couples joined the TLC, and are both now out of it. One I was told by Randy Maudsley, could not keep his covenants, I believe he said it had to do with chasity. The other couple divorced, the wife stayed with tlc, until she met one of those radicals you spoke of, married him, I guess he has several other wives. Randy M. told me that this man was mentally ill, (he likes to say that I think) and that he left with his wives, perhaps these people were excommunicated. Last I heard they were all living somewhere in the mountains. I have not talked to either of these couples since they joined, except for a visit from them a few years ago. Other than that, they seemed to have disappeared from the face of the earth! They didn't contact us, I guess they considered us the "un elect" or something like that. They are hiding out from the world it seems. We have tried to find them several times but only keep hearing tidbits of information, mostly from the couple that never joined with TLC. The reason I said that, about you being loyal to the church, is because of your extensive web site (just there today) I thought you mentioned that you are putting up a case against these people for the LDS? Isn't your interest mainly to expose them for frauds? I got that impression...maybe I am wrong. In regards to the LDS. (oh no, here I go again!) This is not the first disappointing ward I have been in since I joined. I have had many experiences that have helped me to realize that the priesthood leaders are not what they claim to be. When I first joined I remember that some few of these leaders did have the holy spirit, because I felt it. But I have not felt that for years. Some leaders are more in tune to peoples needs, but that spirit that I felt does not seem to be around. I am not as bothered by the way we have been ignored here. In a way, it is really what I needed to understand the truth. I don't want to get a hold of any of the leaders in this area. Thanks for the offer, but what is done is done. I am aware that some of my feelings are from my own childhood and the way in which I was raised. (uh oh, here it comes...) I always felt that I couldn't explain these things to others who were raised in the church, because they would (and did) reject me or were shocked, or didn't understand.  I also got the idea more than once that because I was not raised in a rightious (far from it) loving environment, I was not one of "the Lords people", not one of the "elect". I never felt accepted. I guess it boils down to, I really wanted them to love me, but they didn't. They couldn't give me the love that I needed so desperately to heal my wounds. They didn't even see the pain I was in! If someone had just been in tune, just seen that pain!!! Perhaps I could have begun to heal if I had been able to just let it all out, to someone who really cared. Sometimes the spirit told me when others were in need. Why not for me?  For all the blessings I have recieved from priesthood leaders, these things were not addressed, and I have had no relief. Why not? I fasted, prayed and studied. You might say, "ignor these things and go on with your life" I have said that to myself! But I cannot ignor that my blood pressure was 240/100 and that I can't work as an EMT. When they said my blood pressure was that high, I knew immediately why! I was shocked that I hadn't fooled my body as well as I tried to fool myself. I can't live my life! I can't help others, as my heart would like to when I am such a mess! The advice I got from the Bishops I have had was, do what I tell you and the Lord will bless you. I know that living the commandments is the right thing, and I know I am blessed to the extent that I live them. I did what I was told, but I wasn't healed, and I certainly didn't feel fulfilled. I always blamed myself, because there must be something wrong with me. Most of my callings in church were next to useless busy work. I have always believed that I would recieve a spiritual and physical healing. I didn't want to go to Drs. for who knows what! I nearly died once because I called priesthood leaders instead of an ambulance. They told me in the blessing, to go to the Dr., follow the Drs. advice. I think they were scared, because I was so sick, and pregnant, too. I just looked through the TLC leaders, and I see that they have all led happy little lives, like so many of the LDS leaders. When I see my own children, I can understand how it is normal to feel you are loved. I can see their side, but they can't see mine. To me, knowing that you are loved in a family, having basic gospel values taught would have meant so much. I can only try my best to give my own children what I never got. It has been so hard for me to live a moral life, a life where I have purged myself of my tendencies to do things that are against the gospel. I have always been so alone in this. I guess the view of most every one is that I deserve what I got. I guess I believe it too. And I don't know that there is hope for me, maybe I have too much bad karma from the pre-existance, or from some previous life, like the TLC says. But I hope for my children. Opps! Really sorry for my endless woes! Do with it what you will, I have to let it off from time to time, as I think you know... Renee

Letter Four

Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:35:37 -0600 To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: Re: "Some questions" Cc: bentlc@aol.com, bhammer@sisna.com, chrisr@sisna.com, dcsimmons@sisna.com, dialbart@sisna.com, dlpeterson@sisna.com, elf@manti.com, jbrady@sisna.com, jdharmston@sisna.com, jharper@sisna.com, jonh@sisna.com, kbraddy@sisna.com, kkellogg@sisna.com, matthewl@sisna.com, yogibear@sisna.com, kcrabtree@sisna.com, skoller@sisna.com, eorl@sisna.com, klarson@sisna.com Brother Anderson, You wrote - "Thanks for writing. I don't know Renee personally, I have only met her through email. I know that she is very depressed. At least she was very depressed the first time she wrote to me. She doesn't feel that the bishop in her ward is supportive. But as you can imagine the problem is bigger than how the bishop treats her." I do not know Renee personally either. But it is imporatant that she understand where we are coming from should she have some desire to join us at some time in the future - wouldn't you agree? "I am sorry if I seemed down on your response to her. I only had her version of what you said. She is still searching. The reason I asked about her was that I thought I wouldn't be able to get the answers from her. However, I have reestablished contact with her. You must receive an interesting array of email from an all types of people." Brother Anderson, if Renee would care to re-open a line of discussion with me concerning the fulness of the Gospel, I am willing to do so. I am not interested in her accusatory remarks concerning her concepts of what constitutes charity. Charity is the pure love of Christ or to love Christ purely. If we love Christ, we will keep His commandments. Renee has the common misconception of the apostate mainstream member of the LDS Church concerning charity - she is confusing charity with brotherly kindness. I have attempted to straighten Renee out on her misconception and her delusions, but to no avail. Possibly, should she have a change of heart, I can do something with her. Brother Anderson, we have people here amongst us who have been terribly abused both in their early years and latter lives. Their problems are brought out and looked at as much as might be necessary; those who were wronged must forgive those who wronged them and then they have to let it go - just because someone has been abused or injured or sick, etc., all their lives, is no excuse to continue in their sins or in their self-justifications and rationalizations. "In order to better understand the TLC, I would like to know about the apostles that left your church." What would you like to know? More specifically, who would you like to know about? It's beyond my level of comprehension how our excommunication of these men would help you to better understand the TLC. The TLC is exactly as the LDS Church was during Joseph & Brigham's dayŠ what exactly is it you don't understand about the church Joseph Smith restored and Brigham held together for thirty years? If you want to know about the TLC it would behoove you to read and study the early church and it'doctrines and teachingsŠ you know, the one's the LDS Church no longer adhere to - that's called apostasy you know. But, if you simply must hear about these men and their apostasy. I will tell you somewhat of their problems, if you really want to know? But, Brother Anderson, are you really interested in the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Or just curious? Sincerely, Randy Maudsley

Letter Five

Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:39:02 -0600 To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: Re: "Some questions" Cc: jdharmston@sisna.com, jhanks@sisna.com Brother Anderson, You wrote - "It sure has gotten quite. I had letters from Don, Bart and you. They were very nice letters and I felt like I was getting some of my questions answered. I was also impressed by what I was hearing. Now I haven't heard anything for a couple days. Now maybe that is normal and I shouldn't worry. I can understand. Is there a certain day or days that you answer your email?" Please forgive me, but we have been very busy with our new endowment cast and many practices, and then an endowment last night. Not to mention a few trips to Salt Lake and Provo, baptisms and TV interviews for Brazilian news service. I hope you can understand that we are kept very busy and it requires our full attention to the Work. Oh yes, we have about twenty men addressing questions over the Net. Don't worry, we will generally answer all letters and questions we receive fromgenuine seekers of the truthŠ we will however, as with Renee, stop correspondence if and when the Spirit reveals they have rejected the fulness of the Gospel and refuse to repent of their sins - Renee doesn't seem to think she has anything to repent of? Even God repents! "You offered one thing: 'Brother Anderson, you think whatever you want concerning my dealings with Renee. But since you've enquired of us as to her correspondance with us, I am more than willing to share with you what I have in this letter as well as forward to you at your request, any and all letters I have written to Renee in their entirity.'" I will send you a few of these letters for your consideration - those letters I've written to Renee. "I would like to get a copy of those letters. Renee has tried to explain some of your letters to me, but it is very confusing. She says that she doesn't know how to send your actual letters. If you could send those letters, I could get a better idea what you were saying. She mixes your comments with her commentary and I can't keep it straight." No problemŠ are you feeling Renee is not being totally honest or that she has an agenda of sorts? It will be interesting to hear your opinons of what I have written. "'Renee has threatened to drop by and visit this June, during the pageant, but I seriously doubt that she'll show up.' She says that she is still interested and strongly believes some of your doctrines, such as plural marriage." InterestingŠ plural marriage is an essential doctrine of the true Church of Christ in this dispensation and others, but it is not our focus! Some of us have plural wives and some of us don't - most fundamentalists worship plural marriage and they proclaim their own righteousness for having entered into itŠ it is the object of many of their beliefs and has become a great stumbling block to them - just as the word of wisdom with the LDS. "Thanks for your letters, I hope to hear more. In the mean time I have been reading your pamphlets. Tonight I read the two that bishop Hill had recommended." Well, I'll get off to you a few of my letters to Renee this afternoon, but "ve got to go for now as we're meeting with some news guy from New York at nine. Sincerely, Rsandy Maudsley

Letter Six

Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:38:58 -0600 To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: "You question of Bart" Cc: kbraddy@sisna.com, bhammer@sisna.com, jharper@sisna.com, eorl@sisna.com, jdharmston@sisna.com, dlpeterson@sisna.com, dcsimmons@sisna.com, jonh@sisna.com, skoller@sisna.com Brother Anderson, You asked Bart - "If Brigham Young started the practice of ordaining young men to the Aaronic priesthood, does that mean he was a fallen prophet also?" Bruce and I spent quite a bit of time going through "The Messages of the First Presidency" for the last three years of Brigham Young's life, in which years Brigham's health was on the wane - possible poisoning? At any rate, the nature and tune of those messages, especially the last year of Brigham's life, were more in the camp of the "Godbe-ites". Bruce and I are of the opinion that Brigham's councellors, who may have been in Godbe's hip pocket, wrote and sent most of those messages of their own accord and without Brigham's approvalŠ no wonder Hinckley got away with doing the same thing to Ezra Benson. Nahum saw Hinckley and identified him - "There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor." (Nahum 1:11.) Brother Anderson, are you a seeker of the truth or not? You might well ask us if we walk to school or carry our lunch? Seekers of truth do not use guile in any form. But, you can do and believe whatever you like. Randy Maudsley

Letter Seven

Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:59:11 -0600 To: Future Development <futdev@isat.com> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: Re: "FYI" Cc: kbraddy@sisna.com, bhammer@sisna.com, dialbart@sisna.com, jharper@sisna.com, JHanks@sisna.com, eorl@sisna.com, jdharmston@sisna.com, dlpeterson@sisna.com, dcsimmons@sisna.com, jonh@sisna.com, skoller@sisna.com, russ@cache.net Friday, May 16th, 1997 Renee, I'd like to know the desire of your heart before I make any attempt to address your recent letter. What do you want? What do you expect? Are you willing to address issues and yourself? Please let me know, that I might proceed accordingly? Randy Maudsley

Letter Eight

Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:06:46 -0600 To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> From: Randy Maudsley <maudsley@sisna.com> Subject: Re: "You question of Bart" Cc: kbraddy@sisna.com, bhammer@sisna.com, dialbart@sisna.com, jharper@sisna.com, JHanks@sisna.com, eorl@sisna.com, jdharmston@sisna.com, dlpeterson@sisna.com, dcsimmons@sisna.com, jonh@sisna.com, skoller@sisna.com Brother Anderson, You wrote - "I am not sure what you mean when you use the phrase, 'do not use guile in any form.'" guile, n. unscrupulous cunning. "I am an honest seeker of truth and you can surely realize that I want to understand things well. I want to know what I am doing and go in with my eyes open." Brother Anderson, I would suggest that you get on your knees and ask the Lord God of Israel whether or not what we say and teach is the truth - "Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down unto the time that ye shall receive these things (after 1830's), and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is. And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever. And again, I exhort you, my brethren, that ye deny not the gifts of God, for they are many; and they come from the same God. And there are different ways that these gifts are administered; but it is the same God who worketh all in all; and they are given by the manifestations of the Spirit of God unto men, to profit them. For behold, to one is given by the Spirit of God, that he may teach the word of wisdom; And to another, that he may teach the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; And to another, exceedingly great faith; and to another, the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; And again, to another, that he may work mighty miracles; And again, to another, that he may prophesy concerning all things; And again, to another, the beholding of angels and ministering spirits; And again, to another, all kinds of tongues; And again, to another, the interpretation of languages and divers kinds of tongues. And all these gifts come by the Spirit of Christ; and they come unto every man severally, according as he will. And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember that every good gift cometh of Christ. And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember the he is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that all these gifts of which I have spoken, which are spiritual, never will be done away, even as long as the world shall stand, only according to the unbelief of the children of men (apostasy). Wherefore, there must be faith; and if there must be faith there must also be hope; and if there must be hope there must also be charity. And except ye have charity ye can in nowise be saved in the kingdom of God; neither can ye be saved in the kingdom of God if ye have not faith; neither can ye if ye have no hope. And if ye have no hope ye must needs be in despair; and despair cometh because of iniquity. And Christ truly said unto our fathers: If ye have faith ye can do all things which are expedient unto me. And now I speak unto all the ends of the earth - that if the day cometh that the power and gifts of God shall be done away among you, it shall be because of unbelief (apostasy). And wo be unto the children of men if this be the case; for there shall be none that doeth good among you, no not one. For if there be one among you that doeth good, he shall work by the power and gifts of God. And wo unto them who shall do these things away and die, for they die in their sins, and they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God; and I speak it according to the words of Christ; and I lie not. And I exhort you to remember these things; for the time speedily cometh that ye shall know that I lie not, for ye shall see me at the bar of God; and the Lord God will say unto you: Did I not declare my words unto you, which were written by this man, like as one crying from the dead, yea, even as one speaking out of the dust (for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return)? I declare these things unto the fulfilling of the prophecies (from then until the end of the millenium). And behold, they shall proceed forth out of the mouth of the everlasting God; and his word shall hiss forth from generation to generation (probation to probation?). And God shall show unto you, that that which I have written is true. And again I would exhort you that ye would come unto Christ, and lay hold upon every good gift, and touch not the evil gift, nor the unclean thing. And awake, and arise from the dust (from the dead? that they are no longer return again as dust), O Jerusalem; yea, and put on thy beautiful garments, O daughter of Zion; and strengthen thy stakes and enlarge thy borders forever, that thou mayest no more be confounded, that the covenants of the Eternal Father which he hath made unto thee, O house of Israel, may be fulfilled. Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot. And now I bid unto all, farewell. I soon go to rest in the paradise of God, until my spirit and body shall again reunite, and I am brought forth triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar of the great Jehovah, the Eternal Judge of both quick (translated) and dead (dust). Amen." (Moroni 10:1-34.) "If there are problems or inconsistencies, I want to know that now. It the TLC is the truth, and I know you bear testimony that it is, then knowing the full story and having a complete understanding of your doctrine and history will not disuade me from joining with you." It is by this very standard that the LDS Church is found wanting and in apostasy. Will you apply this same standard to the LDS Church that you apply to the TLC? That by your "knowing the full story and having a complete understanding of your doctrine and history" you will plainly see the error of the modern LDS leaders? It's not difficult! There's no great mystery! Even children can see it plainly, that the LDS Church is in total and complete apostasy. Is it any wonder that I am caused to wonder about your motives and your sincerity? "However, if you don't have the truth, then a thorough study will expose the weaknesses. How would you like me to study? Do you have a different preferred method?" Brother Anderson, I testify to you in the name of Christ that we do have the truth and that again a second time, the Lord has sent His hand to gather the elect of Israel from their lost and fallen state in this, His act, His strange act. Why don't you see this - "And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts;" (D&C 29:7.) "Since I haven't received anymore replies from Don and you are replying to this question, does this mean that I should focus my comments and correspondence with you? I don't mind. I just hope to keep the channels open. Is that O.K. with you? I haven't spoken with Don concerning youŠ you have your agency. Brother Anderson, I will address your questions as I see fit; there are some things that you simply do not need to know at this point and I will not answer. But, I will tell you this, that I have seen both the Father and the Son, that they live. "I spent time talking to my institute instructor and neighbor last night about your material. He says that he would never be brave enough to leave the LDS church. I asked how he could take a stand like that. He acknowledged that wasn't consistent with a strict following of the truth but he just couldn't do it." "Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen? Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson - That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness. That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God. We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. Hence many are called, but few are chosen." (D&C 121:34-40.) "Let us here observe, that a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation; for, from the first existence of man, the faith necessary unto the enjoyment of life and salvation never could be obtained without the sacrifice of all earthly things. It was through this sacrifice, and this only, that God has ordained that men should enjoy eternal life; and it is through the medium of the sacrifice of all earthly things that men do actually know that they are doing the things that are well pleasing in the sight of God. When a man has offered in sacrifice all that he has for the truth's sake, not even withholding his life, and believing before God that he has been called to make this sacrifice because he seeks to do his will, he does know, most assuredly, that God does and will accept his sacrifice and offering, and that he has not, nor will not seek his face in vain. Under these circumstances, then, he can obtain the faith necessary for him to lay hold on eternal life. It is in vain for persons to fancy to themselves that they are heirs with those, or can be heirs with them, who have offered their all in sacrifice, and by this means obtain faith in God and favor with him so as to obtain eternal life, unless they, in like manner, offer unto him the same sacrifice, and through that offering obtain the knowledge that they are accepted of him." ("Lectures on Faith", Lecture Sixth, vs 8-9.) "I hope that my other questions that I asked will also eventually get answered. Should I reask them of you or will Bart and Don eventually answer them? Some of the information I have received I have to stand back and be amazed at. When Bart says that you are in daily contact with Joseph Smith, that is very significant. I would like to know more about what that means." I suppose you'll have to ask Bart what he means by whatever it is that Bart might have said. I will tell you that we have communion with many of the prophets of old and that they are very much involved in our daily lives, both seen and unseen. Yes, you are right, that this is a very significant thing and we are eternally grateful to God for the outpourings of the Spirit that we receive on a daily basis. In fact, we are eternally grateful for all the Spiritual gifts we enjoy as the gathered elect of God. Brother Anderson, we are actively engaged in the work of the Father and to this end do we serve. We are called to reprove the world and warn the wicked of the Desolation of Abomination which is soon to come upon them. We proclaim the truth in spite of men and what men may do. We are not terribly concerned about your scrutinizing us or the things we say. But, we are concerned about what you might say or do with regards to the elect of God who remain in the LDS Church, because of their fears and uncertainties or their false traditions. There is ever so slight a possiblity that you have sway with some of these and it is not our purpose to provide you or anyone, ample material from which might be construed misconceptions as to what we teach and hold as truth. We are trying to keep our message simple. for today is a day of warning and not many words. So, you simply must understand that if we are not providing for you enough information to satisfy your curiousity, that Peter wouldn't either. Take what information we do give and what answers to your questions we may send you, take it to the Lord in prayer and ask Him, the author of all truth and righteousness; and if this work be of God, happily, you will not be found fighting against it. Again, we are looking for the elect and only the elect, for the day of the Gentile has been fulfilled; and the elect hear God's voice AND obey! If you do not believe what we say and do is of God, I would suggest that you look elsewhere; for you have read our pamphlets and have had correspondence with us, sufficient for you to ask of God if we are the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ. This testimony and witness I leave with you in the name of Jesus Christ, whose apostle I am. Amen. Randy Maudsley PS - "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:1-17.)

Letter Nine

Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:44:57 -0700 From: Future Development <futdev@isat.com> Reply-To: futdev@isat.com Organization: Family Cottage To: russ@cache.net Subject: [Fwd: Re: "I don't know anymore"] Bro Anderson- Let me know if you get this. I am pretty sure this is the first letter I recieved from Randy. I really don't understand why they are so bugged when they are asked questions. It does seem contrary to their pamphlet about Following the Brethren. Renee

Letter Ten

Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:53:35 -0600 From: Bart Malstrom <dialbart@sisna.com> Reply-To: dialbart@sisna.com Organization: Dial Distributing To: Russell Anderson <russ@cache.net> Subject: More TOP Hello again, Russell, if God gave you "true Priesthood", why would you want to use any other priesthood?  Through a true endowment, God gives us the keys of the "True Order of Prayer", why would you want to use any other order of prayer?  Once you receive the keys and knowledge of the True Order of Prayer, if you don't use it, you might as well ask Satan to share his priesthood with you also because you have rejected what God has given you.  Of course you should invoke the True Order of Prayer.  No, your wife does not have to join you.  Once you begin to receive witnesses, you will need to keep her educated or you will have a tough time catching her up later.  Remember, you have to ask with a sincere heart and nothing doubting. Sincerely, Bart